Oh, you like to fly rattlesnake?
Let me rework it and completly fu*k everything up

but less range on them - the velocity bonus is gone.

and once again, the versatility of 5 utility/support drones is GONE

275% of 2 is not 7.5, it's 5.5

Do you mean UP to Guristas space?

I am amused at how people think the Rattler is getting better. Sure, the dps increase is nice, but they're forgetting the fact that with the new drone bonuses, It's completely vulnerable to getting kited It doesn't even have access to mediums, and while it's technically feasible to put rapid heavy launchers on it, that's entirely impractical as people will likely be using cruise missiles all the time, specifically in a pve setting. So basically if you get dropped on and the mission rats can't take them out, you're screwed.

No what I am saying is that you have 25km less range and time to shoot them in and if you fail, it is harder and takes longer to kill them, If you are overwhelmed and you MJD away, then you have to wait for 25*10 seconds (over two minutes) burning towards them , before you can reengage them with your sentries.

Of course you can kill them eventually, but it's Not exactly improving gameplay is it?

The issue is with the GILA it has been said repeatedly that it is an annoyance in the rattler nothing more. Quite easily dealt with but
You naturally want to snipe frigates at range, the actual post as it is written is discussing the need to drop a DLA to fit the missile launcher, If you do that you naturally fit for missile damage not drone damage to get the maximum effect, therefore your drones are unbonused, and round and round and round..

So the post actually is asking for a 25km drone control range bonus for the ship, to replace the DLA that is lost fitting the new launcher, what you are replying to was a post that (deliberately?) took things out of context.

Note:- rattlesnake is often passive tanked so shield recharge modules. (Shield power relay)

So, a solid 1400+ (easily, I'm lowballing) DPS out passed 80km, sufficient mids to get much of the damage down and still a tank like a brick wall.

What will it take to make you happy? What more can you give this thing?

Completely utterly wrong, pure disinformation, you fail to do disruptive sarcasm well. read ^^^ or somewhere in the previous 40+ pages for enlightenment.
As you self admittedly completely fail to understand the issue, are you the best person to reply to people on this thread?

They quite possibly have such a large number, and if THEY thought the rattlesnake and Gila were right they would not be in a hurry to sell them. They would drip them onto the market to support the highest price.

No one in their right mind would think of the CFC as being economically illiterate , they are masters of the market.
I suspect that after initial euphoria, they are as disappointed as we are when looking closely.

Sleeper frigates with a cruise missile???? do you have any idea what regen rate they have?? and do you realise how much damage is lost on a sleeper frigate even with 3 rigours a target painter and precisions, yes it can be done, not pretty, and you will be a smoking wreck before you get to the second.

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There are various tweaks that CCP rise can do to make this ship appeal to a wider base,
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CPU is tight today on an active fit, never mind in the summer with more launchers.

Drone ships are notoriously CPU bound, missile ships are the same - putting BOTH bonused without a minor CPU increase is pretty mean.

stop trying to tell me how I can make do and "adapt and overcome" with these unnecessary and poorly thought-out changes. Nobody flies a snake because of its high DPS. Get a clue.

Educate yourself on the concept of a "feedback thread" and try again. These changes aren't set in stone no matter how much you stomp your feet about it.

funny you had to get on an alt to agree with yourself

sorry kiddo. the Rattlesnake is clearly worse than it was before with the loss of so much of its functionality. This is the thead where we point out the devs mistakes and give feedback on that issue. To think things are set in stone at this point is completely moronic.

we can discuss specific fits ad infinitum.
We can also discuss the rattlesnakes amazing passive tank and how one will lose that with missile rigs.
We can also discuss using more medium slots for painters and omnidirectionals too and losing drone control range with the DDA loss due to new launcher.


All very interesting, but Missing the point of things.

Described in the thread in great depth in the thread so please keep that in mind.
But as a summation.
The new changes to the drone weapons system, consists of removing the current drone weapons system that fields lights, mediums, sentries, and heavy drones. Which are all bonused. And effective against all rat classes.
With a new system that removes all bonuses and then substitutes with two heavy or sentries, that have their levels brought up to the same damage and durability as a current flight.

Thereby losing their ability to engage smaller rat classes to anything like the same capability as currently exists.

The thread is polarised into "please restore the capability to engage rats of all rat classes by whatever means."
And.
" you don't need drones anyway, accept the Loss of capability, missile users are much better off so you should be grateful!"

Is that a fair summation?

"Management heavy" is the new complaint now?

"Grr, I have to pay attention to what I'm doing".

try looking at the big picture instead of being such a narrow-minded, argumentative simpleton. Seems like you are the only one trying to defend these poorly thought out changes, and doing very poorly. Obviously there is something wrong with the Snake, as the intelligent people have pointed out. Get a clue and get a life.

You do you realize that he just jumped on his alt to defend himself?

Clearly, you both have mental problems.

I'm going to revisit an issue that a few people (including myself) brought up: when are we going to see the stats on the new drone modules? In addition to low-slot omnidirectionals there are supposed to be Faction drone navigation computers and drone damage amplifiers, and this could radically influence how people both perceive and fit the proposed Rattlesnake. For a release that's a mere month away I'm surprised we haven't seen any information on this...

Case in-point: while the new Gecko doesn't make or break the Rattlesnake, I think we can all agree that it puts the "Hero" drone bonus into the "+" column for this rebalance.

You raised the question of what would happen when your Gecko got webbed by frigates; I merely suggested shooting the frigates. Maybe drones are primary and missiles secondary.

Please explain why the playerbase should be so excited by a "role bonus" that is the same damage and hitpoints as before is such a wonderful feature on a pirate ship.
Please constrain the answer to relating to the bonus itself, and not missiles, the possibility of fitting officer modules, great tank, it is now a missile boat/not a drone boat the fact you like it, the other bonuses and nerfs or other distractions.

So please enlighten us poor ignorant excuses for humanity.
Why should we believe that "the same as before for sentries and heavy drones, but with less drones", is a bonus?

Or do you believe that CCP Rise is an omnipotent all knowing all seeing God like being who cannot make an oversight or ommission?

And feedback is futile?

you forget the part about the dominix and ishtar having bonuses to all their drones, making them better options.

you seem to also be missing the point. The rattlesnake is changing from a drone boat to a missile boat that uses drones. Heavy drones are not going to be viable in pvp because you will lose so much of your DPS to a webs, especially if you use a gecko. Missile damage will be prioritized, which is subject to jamming.

That leaves you with your now unbonused light drones to hopefully kill whatever is scramming you. The dominx and ishtar do it better and for much cheaper.

Brawlers are in the thick of DPS and need frigates to die fast, and the Snake can't do that nearly as well anymore when it is being jammed if these changes go through.

OK here is the full stream, just up
Fanfest keynote

Very Very different to his original post here, This really needs updating soon now. Things must have moved on In CCP in the meantime.


Listen for yourselves.

" they ( the ships) will all get enormous bonuses To drone damage and HP". (his emphasis)

So the same effective damage as before on the rattlesnake really is not what they have just said in front of the whole of the eve community, live, on TV.

So hopefully clarification soon.

Well CCP rise seems to have announced a different vision, It is this I refer to. Things have changed. i am responding and giving feedback and suggestions based on the NEW vision, not the old assumptions. Yes they have missiles, and shields, but their Pirate speciality is to be the best sub cap drone platforms in the game.

One question please, or two if you insist. Can you fly Guristas battleship with very good skills and do you fly it?

Stop using torpedoes.

do they all have split weapon systems too and passive shield tanking?

concede a point for once in your life.

whether its a role bonus or battleship bonus is irrelevant, it amounts to the same thing.

The Golems is far superior.


Find me a better passive shield-tanked battleship. You lost this round.

your aims are not my aims. Passive tanking is an aim for a lot of people, especially those who want NOS/Neut defense.

Think before you post.

Seriously, why is it only these handful of idiots who are happy with these rattlesnake changes?

Try it yourself over a dozen missions on SISI, it is substandard to the RNI and Substandard To the Dominix.
It does not matter how you fit it, it ends up worse than currently no matter how fit, the time to destroy FAST small targets has gone through the roof. On missions that have significant numbers, players will just reject those.
Slow small rats are not much of an issue just a little annoying.
Sure one CAN use it, but that is not the point.
For missioning, it has become a worse ship.
For your uses it may be an improvement, that is good for you.
Unfortunately the rebalance has left it in a worse place for a large number of users.
That is an unnecessary and undesired, outcome.